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据北京日报报道，伦敦时间3月17日晚，BBC黄金档“晚间新闻”栏目就俄乌冲突展开辩论，其中专访中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长王文，时长近6分钟。专访主持人、在BBC工作46年的大牌主播科斯蒂·沃克，全程挖坑设问，但王文反客为主，猛批美国在乌克兰危机中的“伪善”、“挑拨”，主持频频打断。据悉，该专访在海外引起广泛关注与肯定，在国内也有数百万的点击量。以下为专访视频的双语版本、北京日报报道内容和采访中英原文。
和平，首先要让美国远离。美国是战争的最大麻烦制造者。任何分歧，只要有美国来解决，多数都会变成危机，变成灾难。
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BBC主播沃克
首先，欢迎中国人民大学重阳金融研究院执行院长王文教授参与我们的连线。他是《强国长征路：百国调研归来看中华复兴与世界未来》一书的作者。晚上好，王文教授！首先，我们刚刚谈到，普京入侵乌克兰将中国置于非常困难的处境。所以从战略视角看，中国在处理乌克兰问题上是否有一条规则？有哪些考量因素？王文
所有中国人都认为，这是场悲剧。中国人从来没有想过这场危机会发生，中国人希望尽早地结束这场危机。其次，多数中国人认为，这场危机非常复杂，不能用简单“入侵”来形容。我们同情乌克兰，乌克兰很可怜，它显然被美国和北约骗了。乌克兰成为美国压制俄罗斯的战争代理人，它是这场危机的最大输家。我们关心乌克兰人民，并且中国给予了乌克兰人道主义的救助。在中国看来，乌克兰最好的战略定位是成为东西方文明交流的桥梁。让我们明确一点，你认为美国和北约是乌克兰战争的代理人。中国到目前为止一直保持中立，但我们是在支持弗拉基米尔•普京吗?我们是否可以推测，在中国看来，不管你同意与否，入侵乌克兰的处理方式都是灾难性的。我觉得我们现在应该关注美国。我们可以看到，美国表现得太虚伪。如果乌克兰是美女，那么，美国就是渣男。他怂恿这位漂亮姑娘去和俄罗斯分手，还鼓励她去和俄罗斯打架，并承诺会提供保护，结果，乌克兰被揍，许多乌克兰人民死亡。我经常讲，和平，首先要让美国远离。美国是战争的最大麻烦制造者。任何分歧，只要有美国来解决，多数都会变成危机，变成灾难。BBC主播沃克
所以这就是你关于乌克兰问题的观点。那么接下来，我们谈一下台湾问题。王文
正如我们今晚在节目中讨论的那样，2019年，中华人民共和国国家主席发表了一篇演讲，他提到：台湾问题不留给下一代解决，并且他没有排除在必要时使用武力的可能性。你不能将乌克兰问题和台湾问题相提并论，台湾是中国的一部分，你不能将这两个问题简单作比较。首先，台湾是中国的一部分，由于一些历史原因，我们还未实现统一。但是所有中国人都坚信国家统是大势所趋，必然实现，所以我认为这是两件完全不同的事情。BBC主播沃克
但是，王文先生，我能否问一下，我们知道二千三百万台湾人想要维持现状。拜登总统曾说如果台湾被强行统一，他将会援助台湾。你认为乔·拜登想要让“台湾从中国独立”出来的表述是一个合理的立场吗?
王文
有一个很明显的情况是，在过去的半个世纪里，美国经常挑动其他区域的邻国或相邻主体之间的战争。比如伊朗与伊拉克、印度与巴基斯坦，现在是乌克兰和俄罗斯。这样美国就可以维护自己的霸权，我们担心美国下次会在台湾海峡挑动另一场战。正如我刚说，应该让美国离一切分歧远一些，台湾问题是中国内政，须由我们中国人自己解决。这次，所有人都看透美国价值观的虚伪和美国公信力的终结。所以，不要将（乌克兰与台湾）两个问题混为一谈。BBC主播沃克
非常感谢您参与我们的连线。以下为英文版
BBC interview
By Wang Wen
BBC presenter Kirsty Wark:First I'm joined by Professor Wang Wen, Executive Dean of Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies and the author of Great Powers, Long March Road, the Views of China's Rejuvenation and the Future of the World after a Hundred Countries Visit.Good evening to you, Wang Wen. First of all, we just heard Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has put China in a very difficult position. So strategically, is there a rule for China in Ukraine?What are the considerations?Wang Wen:Actually, I think all Chinese believe that this is a tragedy. Chinese never thought that this crisis would happen.Chinese people hope to end the crisis as soon as possible.Secondly, most Chinese believe that the crisis is very complex and cannot be described as a simple "invasion". We sympathize with Ukraine. Ukraine is very pity. It is obviously cheated by the United States and NATO. Ukraine has become the war agent of the United States to suppress Russia and is the biggest loser of this crisis. That’s why we are concerned about the Ukrainian people, and China has provided humanitarian assistance.In China's view, Ukraine's best strategic positioning is to become a bridge for the exchange of civilizations between the East and the West. Let's be clear, you believe that the US and NATO are agents of the war in Ukraine. China so far has remained neutral, But is he in the business of propping up Vladimir Putin? When presumably China thinks the way that the invasion of Ukraine has been handled whether you agree or not, has been catastrophic. I think now we should focus on the US. Actually, we have to know the United States is acting too hypocritical. If Ukraine is a beauty, then the United States is a scum man. the US urged the beautiful girl to break up with Russia, encouraged her to fight with Russia and promised protection. As a result, Ukraine was beaten and many Ukrainian people died.I often say that peace should first keep the US away. The U.S is the biggest troublemaker of the wars. As long as the US resolves any differences, most of them will become crises and disasters. BBC presenter Kirsty Wark:
So, that is your views what happening in Ukraine. Then, let’s talk a little bit about Taiwan.
Because as we said earlier in program tonight, in 2019, President of the people's Republic of China made a speech. When he said, the future of Taiwan and the resolution of Taiwan is not something that will be left to the next generation. Should China claims Taiwan and he did not rule this out if necessary by force.Wang wen：I think you cannot compare the Ukraine issues with Taiwan issues. Because Taiwan is a part of the China, you cannot just very simply compare. Firstly, Taiwan is part of China. But now because of some historical reasons, we didn’t reunify. But all the people in China we believe that the reunite is necessary and inevitable. So, I think these are two very different things. BBC presenter Kirsty Wark:
But…Wang Wen, if I can just ask you about that we know the twenty-three million people in Taiwan don't necessarily want anything other than the situation they have now. President Biden said that if Taiwan was co-opted that was against its will, he would come to Taiwan’s aid. Do you think that’s a legitimate position for Joe Biden to give Taiwan wants to remain independent from China?Wang Wen:
I think one obvious condition is that over the past half century, the US has often provoked wars between neighboring countries or neighboring re-gions in other regions, such as Iran and Iraq, India and Pakistan, now is Ukraine and Russia，so as to maintain its hegemony. We are afraid that next time it’s Taiwan Strait the US will provoke another war. As I said right now, just make America away with any differences. So, I think Taiwan issues belong to China ourselves to solve it. This time, all people can see through the hypocrisy of American values and the end of American credibility. So, just don’t make the compare.Host:
Thank you very much.
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